>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? Let him go! As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. OT. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. This is simple. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. > Take another listen. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. Same voice. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. ", "They were nutcases. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Please either stop > or> shape up. Barcaluv. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." Before warning him, the Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? andpleading with her to take off her mask? WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. > Mandy was not the same woman. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. The Daily Planet may go under too. ". He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. ">> "Victor what can I say. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. Again. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. Same voice. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. Please either stop orshape up. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. And Milich was expecting him. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Orgy? WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. >What else could> he call it? The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Crumb Eye. >>What else could he call it? because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. 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