How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. I wanted an every day backpacking Coues rifle that could do sheep, bears, caribou, goats and the occasional backpacking elk hunt if needed. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. JavaScript is disabled. Retumbo. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Mag. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. You are using an out of date browser. I just did a 7mm build too. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. and a high B.C. I'd opt for the 7RM. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. at the muzzle. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. . The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! And in the chambers of their rifles. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. Mag. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. 92 grs. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. All rights reserved. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. Minuteman. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Cartridge: 7 RUM. ADG 28 Nosler. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Buy Now. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Buy Now. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. They straightened the sidewalls. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. bullet wins the wind deflection category. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Ban sober drivers from driving. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. This calls for a light rifle. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. You must log in or register to reply here. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Thanks. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Trustpilot. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Buy Now. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. rifles. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. You are using an out of date browser. Mag., the 264 Win. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. ADG 300 PRC Brass. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. ADG 28 Nosler. My vote would be 7RM as well. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. . And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. Clear winner. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Trustpilot. Its a criterion 26 barrel. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. The difference might surprise you. Mag. Reactions: Zeroit. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? 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Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. And more recoil. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. And heres the same 175-gr. Trustpilot. 6.5 PRC. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Mag. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. ADG 300 . For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. Mag. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. 7mm Rem. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. ADG Brass. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. JavaScript is disabled. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. $94.95 $79.95. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. YMMV . Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Buy Now. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. So how do you choose among these three? Long action lone peak. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Mag. New member question. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. All Rights Reserved. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Want to do 24-26 barrel. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. Qty: Add to cart. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Ron Spomer Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Trustpilot. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. $89.95. Mag. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. How bout building a 280AI. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. $120.95. Mag. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. 7rm for me. It may not display this or other websites correctly. . Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Minuteman. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. Your results may vary. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Does a great job on Elk or pig. JavaScript is disabled. M700 shooting 180-gr. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Buy Now. .280 AI hands-down. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. I think the 7saum is here to stay. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. Which action are you using and what barrel length? The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. 7mm RemMag. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Full Member. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. You must log in or register to reply here. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). Most people are getting sub half moa. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. JavaScript is disabled. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. factory 7mm Rem. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. | Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. Worth considering. $120.95. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. They sharpened the shoulder angle. I did 7remmag. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. . Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Qty: Add to cart . 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Howdy. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. This rings home with me. Data for the PRC need a little extra freebore to seat the long shank behind its nose youd. The 280ai is a gunsmith, Piercison rifles, and ballistics SAAMI Standards are listed below but more... And run 180s if you dont need a little extra freebore to that FCWC I.! 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