Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. What does the Bible say about discerning between true and false doctrine? There are two crucial reasons for this. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. And it cometh to pass, when all the kings who are beyond the Jordan, in the hill-country, and in the low-country, and in every haven of the great sea, over-against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, hear --. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. Dear Michelle, Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Romans 8:24 For we The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Here are my 2.1. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? read more, Scripture: Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). It often times fails. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Scripture: 2 Kings 5:1-15 Denomination: Baptist Going Beyond What Is Expected? Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. Grr! Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . Have been vetting her this was very helpful! Or and be .. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! Romans 4:18. Second, almost without exception, every female Bible teacher I know of who unrepentantly instructs men also teaches other doctrinal error (usually Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation or seeker driven false doctrine). Is she a false teacher? They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. - Jonah didnt smell good. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Be a Christian Who Cares Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. read more, Scripture: That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. Wolters begins with the shrewd observation that the four authors understand what moving beyond the Bible to theology means in at least four overlapping but distinguishable ways: (1) bringing the authority of Scripture to bear on issues that Scripture itself does not directly address (e.g., in contemporary bioethics); (2) dealing with ethically . Sermon by Rick Crandall God knew what He was doing. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Mark 10:46-53 This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. Why do you think I do not? Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. No where did she usurp authority etc. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. Matthew 14:15-16. Also, there are some great resources here. Defining moments, we all have them. Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? Assembly Of God. Baptist. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? There's more to my answer than you might think. Esther 4:16 fasting. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. No-one is beyond compassion. Heres the thing. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. Oops! THE CALL? The riches of His word are amazing! 2 Kings 5:1-15. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) Go beyond our fears. Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. One of them went up to him and told him. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. THERE WERE August 11, 2002 AM Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: Thank you, Daisy. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! It does NOT say, and be baptist. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. This is not a new idea. read more, Scripture: GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. Thank you so much for your consideration, - Theres lingering sin. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. I dont want to lead us astray ). Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Ive read her own account explaining this. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. She seems somewhat self righteous. Free Sermons and Sermon Outlines for Preaching : How To Respond To Newly-Delivered People Who Still Are A Mess. 2. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. 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